[Fictional War Biography] Lay Down Your Arms by Bertha von Suttner - tg

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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 10:57 am

Lay Down Your Arms: The Autobiography of Martha von Tilling by Bertha von Suttner (1843 - 1914). Translated by Timothy Holmes (1825 - 1907)

"Die Waffen Nieder!", in english: "Lay Down Your Arms" is a fictional biography, which describes four wars from the perspective of a soldier's wife. The response to the book was worldwide, it became popular and it can be described as: the beginning of the peace movements of our times. Von Suttner received the Nobel Peace Price - she was a candidate since the first award-ceremony (according to Alfred Nobel himself). She foresaw and watched the rise of the first worldwar, was warning and campaigning against it; but died before the beginning of WW1. Her friend for years, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Alfred Fried, passed on her last words - they were the title of this book and a plea: „Die Waffen nieder! Sag’s vielen... vielen“ “Lay down the arms! Tell it to many... many” (by schrm)
Apart from its value as a work of fiction—great as that is—the book has a transcendent interest for the Society with which I am connected from its bearing on the question of war in general and of the present state of Europe in particular. We (...) are apt to forget how terribly the remembrance of such calamities, and the constant threat of their recurrence, haunt the lives of our Continental brethren. Madame Suttner’s vivid pages will enable those of us who have not seen anything of the ravages of war, or felt the griefs and anxieties of non-combatants, to realise... (Quoted from "translators preface to the first edition" by Timothy Holmes)

another summary:
schrm wrote:
March 4th, 2021, 9:50 pm
all in all, it is like this:
- main protragonist is a woman, who marries a soldier (upper classes and aristocrats in austria in the 19th century, so higher ranks of military), and becomes a widow soon.
- she "feels" the absurdity of war, tries to argue against war - but being an upper class member and daughter of a soldier, she always gets answers and even consoling advice, which is pro war propaganda
- there are several wars, also the feeling of the rise of an outbreak, everything described by woman with the ability to describe and being the sole person in her surroundings, who is against war. that is something like a taboo.
- she meets another high rank military member (tilling), who is rather aware of suffering and even his privileges as an upper class person. he is member of the military, but somewhat against war. he understands the feelings of a young widowed mother very well. he falls in love with her and she with him. she marries him. and this times, the story needs a little bit longer, to repeat itself.

there are 3-5 topics in this book: romance, history, philosophy, social critics. the main message is the title: lay down your arms, be against war! in the first posting, the summary is describing the author a little bit. she was actively working with alfred fried, and somewhat they invented a system like we have realized today: the uno. they believed into the power of political solutions and discussions, communication instead of warfare (in the book are some comments, which hint to views like this: she has no understanding and no preferences at all for some war-lust fevered, bored out kings, who won't even participate and let ther people die).
alfred fried wrote a 10-40 pages summary of their concept. in german it was my first solo reading and i was reading way too slow, but you can read it yourself and... they were not phantasizing about ending every warfare, but they were one of the great planners and thinkers of the last centuries.
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Last edited by schrm on March 20th, 2021, 8:08 pm, edited 40 times in total.
en: lay down your arms
de: sammlung prosa, hoffmann*2: sommerfrische, tante fritzchen
dpl: hoffmann*2
solo: na prost!

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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 10:57 am

edit: itro of first section 00 deleted in launchpad-post:
START of the first section recording (Intro)
  • "Lay Down Your Arms! The Autobiography of Martha von Tilling, by Bertha von Suttner. Translated by Timothy Holmes. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information, or to volunteer, please visit: librivox DOT org"
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edit: wordcount deleted, but chapter wordcount for interested people

chapter 0: 1025 words
chapter 1: 5537 words part 1 part 2
chapter 2: 7538 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
chapter 3: 6760 words part 1 part 2 part 3
chapter 4: 8544 words, part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
chapter 5: 10604 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
chapter 6: 8617 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5 part 6
chapter 7: 8003 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4
chapter 8: 7666 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
chapter 9: 9616 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
chapter 10: 5999 words part 1 part 2 part 3
chapter 11: 5418 words part 1 part 2 part 3
chapter 12: 13661 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5 part 6 part 7
chapter 13: 6967 words part 1 part 2 part 3
chapter 14: 8209 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
chapter 15: 9983 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
chapter 16: 8561 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4
chapter 17: 5371 words part 1 part 2 part 3
chapter 18: 8274 words part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4
chapter 19: 5534 words part 1 part 2
Last edited by schrm on February 19th, 2020, 10:34 am, edited 7 times in total.
en: lay down your arms
de: sammlung prosa, hoffmann*2: sommerfrische, tante fritzchen
dpl: hoffmann*2
solo: na prost!

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Post by KevinS » December 15th, 2019, 11:10 am

Good to see this up!

I think you have a typographical error for one of the sections. Is it really some 10,000 words?

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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 11:21 am

KevinS wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 11:10 am
Good to see this up!

I think you have a typographical error for one of the sections. Is it really some 10,000 words?
it is but i divided it into sections of 3.300 at the most.
most sections are between 1.000 and 2.000 words..

the wordcount is not formatted, maybe a little bit confusing :-D
Last edited by schrm on December 15th, 2019, 11:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
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dpl: hoffmann*2
solo: na prost!

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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 11:24 am

KevinS wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 11:10 am
Good to see this up!

I think you have a typographical error for one of the sections. Is it really some 10,000 words?
aaah found it
that IS a mistake!
thank you kevin!
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Post by TriciaG » December 15th, 2019, 11:32 am

This is set up. I like the intro/summary! I'm thinking it would be better to put the quote from the introduction after the other part, since your second paragraph gives a good introduction to the work, whereas the quote is more of a recommendation.

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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 11:35 am

TriciaG wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 11:32 am
This is set up. I like the intro/summary! I'm thinking it would be better to put the quote from the introduction after the other part, since your second paragraph gives a good introduction to the work, whereas the quote is more of a recommendation.

What do you think?
thank you so much tricia :-D

thx for your compliments! i will change that!
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dpl: hoffmann*2
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Post by LCaulkins » December 15th, 2019, 11:54 am

Are you taking requests yet? I'd like to do sections 0 and 1 :)
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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 12:11 pm

LCaulkins wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 11:54 am
Are you taking requests yet? I'd like to do sections 0 and 1 :)
thank you for your claims!
you are in :-D

i thought, the long intro with the full title, translator and so on would be nice for section 0 - i hope, it is not too confusing, what i scribbled
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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 12:31 pm

Tricia, in theory, we are ready for "readers wanted". but we don't have a dpl, yet - maybe we should wait a few days....
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Post by TriciaG » December 15th, 2019, 12:55 pm

We'll wait maybe 24 hours. :)
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Post by LCaulkins » December 15th, 2019, 1:18 pm

schrm wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 12:11 pm
i thought, the long intro with the full title, translator and so on would be nice for section 0 - i hope, it is not too confusing, what i scribbled
Yes, it looks great :) I'll be recording this in a few days, when the house is not crazy noisy with pre-holiday "stuff" happening!
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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 1:46 pm

a thx to both of you :-D

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dpl: hoffmann*2
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Post by KevinS » December 15th, 2019, 3:29 pm

70, 71, and 72, please.

schrm, I will ask for your kind assistance, please, with any problems I may have with pronunciations.

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Post by schrm » December 15th, 2019, 8:24 pm

KevinS wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 3:29 pm
70, 71, and 72, please.

schrm, I will ask for your kind assistance, please, with any problems I may have with pronunciations.
sure, i would like to help!
i honestly thought about upoading a recording with her name, as a first aid in the first post.

but then i thought, bertha von suttner would have preferred it to spread her contents, rather than teaching the german language :-D
please, do ask me actively - or just pronounce it like you would in english! that is probably the most natural sounding "flow".

thx 4 ur claims!
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de: sammlung prosa, hoffmann*2: sommerfrische, tante fritzchen
dpl: hoffmann*2
solo: na prost!

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