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Post by Peter Why » April 25th, 2021, 7:08 am

I'm curious; when and why were sound effects and background sound banned in LibriVox recordings? I know that background sound was acceptable in 2006, as I was interviewed on-site ("spotlight on ...") and Starlite asked whether I had ever used it.

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Post by KevinS » April 25th, 2021, 7:25 am

It seems it was an issue even in 2006. viewtopic.php?p=30823#p30823
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Post by Peter Why » April 25th, 2021, 7:52 am

But it's clear from that thread that it was primarily a matter of avoiding copyright problems with the sound effect. Beyond that, it seems just a matter of whether the listener preferred the recording with or without the effect. Opinion, not a rule chiselled into the stones underpinning the structure.

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Post by KevinS » April 25th, 2021, 9:11 am

Peter Why wrote:
April 25th, 2021, 7:52 am
But it's clear from that thread that it was primarily a matter of avoiding copyright problems with the sound effect. Beyond that, it seems just a matter of whether the listener preferred the recording with or without the effect. Opinion, not a rule chiselled into the stones underpinning the structure.

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Perhaps. The idea (raised here?) to post a non-LV alternative on archive.org sounds like a good one.
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Post by lurcherlover » April 25th, 2021, 9:26 am

In my opinion, too much commercial stuff including radio and TV, is overwhelmed with sound effects and also background music. (Often Muzak and other electronic noises).

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Post by knotyouraveragejo » April 25th, 2021, 10:03 am

Peter Why wrote:
April 25th, 2021, 7:52 am
But it's clear from that thread that it was primarily a matter of avoiding copyright problems with the sound effect. Beyond that, it seems just a matter of whether the listener preferred the recording with or without the effect. Opinion, not a rule chiselled into the stones underpinning the structure.

Peter
The current wiki page on Music and Sound Effect Rules goes back to 2009. So it has been at least since then, possibly even before that.
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Post by Peter Why » April 25th, 2021, 12:20 pm

Part of my difficulty with this comes from my feeling that the decision was made without general discussion. Someone .. or ones ... changed a fluid situation into a rigid one without asking the certainly hundreds (and possibly thousands) of active members of the forum who would be effected.

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Post by TriciaG » April 25th, 2021, 12:32 pm

Looking back in the archives, it appears the decision was made by the admins at the time, precipitated by a soloist adding a 13-second musical piece to the beginning and end of each file. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. Sound effects in books were also kiboshed around that time.

Yes, it was decided without public consultation. But no, it was not done without any consultation. And it didn't cause a tsunami; at most, it caused a ripple.

Policies do not need to be decided by pure democratic vote. And one can still submit a sound-effected book to Archive.

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Post by Peter Why » April 25th, 2021, 2:10 pm

I see; I can understand why the decision was made. But it does seem like an over-reaction to me.

Thanks for your investigation, Tricia.

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Post by schrm » April 26th, 2021, 11:17 am

may i add a sort of modern classical anecdote?
https://thenextweb.com/news/a-copyright-claim-on-chirping-birds-highlights-the-flaws-of-youtubes-automated-system
birds singing trigger copyright claims
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